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What the big deal with kobe beef in pho?

SouptionFL — Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:08:15 +0000

So I finally had a beef pho with kobe beef recently. My verdict: underwhelming, not enough meat, hit and miss (not always available), and unworthy of the premium price. So what;'s the big deal with kobe beef?

Open kitchen pho restaurants

quanghien023 — Sun, 30 Jun 2019 17:43:25 +0000

Hey everyone: I don't think this exists but will ask anyway. I'm trying to find out if there are good open kitchen restaurants in the US but can't seem to be satisfied with whatever I've found so far. There are a few places in San Jose, in Little Saigon Santa Ana, and maybe in a few in other states, but these don't compare to those great street food shops in Viet Nam, which are real open kitchen restaurants run by people who actually care. Places that are busy all the time, serve simple food, serve them quickly, and at reasonable prices. Customers can come in, have a quick bite, pay and leave. No fuss, no wifi, no waiting 10 minutes for your food, no complex menu, no fake friendly servers, and no tips expected.

No I'm not looking for actual pho shop out in the streets in the US (we know that won't happen) and I do understand health requirements in every restaurant, but surely there has to be good pho shops that serve in open views of customers, quickly, affordably, with simple menu, by people who know their business, with not a single artificial/bogus friendliness???

Square bowl

Ng_thao_65 — Wed, 19 Jun 2019 19:30:46 +0000

Call me traditional, but I just don't like these square/rectangular bowl! What's wrong with these people?

Quality of pho in Vietnam versus US (North America)

luckyJoe-0978 — Tue, 18 Jun 2019 06:33:51 +0000

Hi everyone,

Setting aside differences in Northern versus Southern style pho, I'd like your opinion on pho ingredients in VN compared to ingredients in the US (or maybe other western countries like Canada or Australia). I've eaten pho in many places and can't believe that pho in the US/North America is better because there are more abundant and better quality ingredients, specifically meat and bones.

No more ceramic pho bowls?

tripe4meplzz — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 17:28:44 +0000

Hi there,

Just want to get some opinions. I see more new pho places that serve "Chipotle" style pho. You know, you order at the counter and customize your pho from the display as your walk through the ordering line. I see many of these places started using plastic disposable bowls only. Aside from the fact that this is wasteful and create a lot of trash, these don't really give me a good pho exeprience. What do you all think?

Really truly good pho: restaurant vs homemade pho?

giangdinh903 — Thu, 13 Jun 2019 22:33:50 +0000

Is it just me thinking this or is it universally true that:

The best pho will always be found in restaurants, because good homemade pho doesn't really mean much as not many people know about it and thus can judge it? At least in restaurants, you can judge or vote by the number of people willing to pay to eat there.

I've heard many saying (and am sick of hearing it) stuff like "my mom makes the best pho" or "there is no pho that can compare to what my grandmother made".

Maybe what we need is a pho smackdown, uhh... maybe just a competition like they have at BBQ festivals and such, a competition where the best pho is judged by somebody or group of bodies with authority to say "this is good pho" or "this is not so good pho", with certificates and accolades to go with it. This way your mom and grandmother can actually claim such title if it's really true.

Put your noodle where your mouth is.

Takeout only pho restaurants

PhoResto-CO5 — Sat, 01 Jun 2019 17:38:08 +0000

Hi everyone, just wondering if anyone here has seen a takeout only pho place either where you live or maybe during your travel. No dining room, just takeout or delivery only. Maybe if there's a small outside eating area then it would be ok.

Thanks.

Old pho shop versus new pho shop menus

ModelBiker — Wed, 29 May 2019 20:51:33 +0000

Hi all,

Have a question hopefully someone has good explanation. Have you ever noticed in older type pho restaurants, there are like 10-20 different pho items on the menu sometime even more, while in newer restaurants that opened maybe in the last few years, their menus are a lot simpler. Some that serve pho/Chipotle style actually have very small menu (comparatively) but you can get pretty much the same combnation such as beefballs, tripe, tendon or anything else if you want. Just wonderin...

Lucky Torontonians to have this.

Dishes209 — Thu, 16 May 2019 23:25:48 +0000

I'd love to try one of these huge pho bowl! WOW!!!

https://www.narcity.com/eat-drink/ca/on/toronto/torontos-largest-pho-bowl-is-the-best-food-challenge-in-the-city

On Pho Restaurant Quality And Service, And Pho 79 Revisited

Cuong Huynh — Sun, 03 Jan 2016 21:13:59 +0000

Pho 79 sign off of Brookhurst St. In the early days of lovingpho.com, I did a review on Pho 79 in Garden Grove CA. I gave it a stellar 26 out of 25 points - due to a system of extra points a pho restaurant can earn, total points can exceed the maximum. I haven't been back to Pho 79 since, but words from a couple of unhappy Pho 79 customers prompted me to write this post about pho business, pho quality versus service, and the changing marketplace. Here's the original Pho 79 review. While we all know that quality can change over time, and I can't attest to Pho 79 quality these days, I think this is a perfect opportunity to discuss pho restaurant customer service.

Sometime You Wonder If Restaurants Really Care What Customers Are Experiencing

Here's what reader Bran wrote the other day:

The service at Pho 79 is atrocious. Doesn’t matter how good the pho is, I won’t ever go back there again just because of the horrible customer service I experienced there. I asked for some extra ngo gai and the server looks me in the face and snaps at me that I already have some right there and like I should be grateful I even got some…turns around as if I offended him and leaves. Damned near lost my temper and chewed his ass out in front of the whole restaurant. The pho isn’t THAT good to put up with bad service. They lost a customer for life after that and I’ll never recommend them to anybody that I know ever again.

Here's what ĐOÀN VINH wrote in Vietnamese with translation:

1/ Long 11 khi lấy order từ khách hàng,không biết có bị điếc hay không mà cứ hỏi lại cái gì, cái gì? Nghe có vẻ không được lịch sự với khách hàng. 2/Khi khách hàng đang ngồi ăn thì mấy người đi dọn bàn quăng dục bát đũa kêu loảng xoảng, làm như muốn đuổi khách. 3/Cũng khi khách đang ngồi ăn thì mấy ông Mễ nhào vô chào mời mua dâu,mua xoải. 4/ Rau húng quế và rau cải cúc còn gọi là tần ô để ăn phở hoặc hủ tíu thì đã khô héo. Trên đây là mấy điểm khiến chúng tôi cảm thấy khó chịu khi vào ngồi ăn ở tiệm phở nổi tiếng này. Rất mong quý tiệm sửa đổi lại hầu giúp khách hàng chúng tôi cảm thấy thỏai mái hơn khi ngồi vào bàn enjoy các món của quý tiệm. Ngược lại nếu còn tái diễn, buộc lòng chúng tôi phải good bye for ever. My translation:

When taking order, server just kept asking what, what... like he's deaf or something.

When were eating, the bus person noisily threw bowls and chopsticks as they cleared tables, as if they wanted to chase customers away.

Also while eating, Mexican street hawkers and vendors came in to sell strawberries and mangoes.

The basil and other vegetables (like rau tần ô for hu tieu) are pretty much dry and withered.

Above are a few points that made us feel uncomfortable when eating at this "famous" pho shop. We wish the restaurant would change and improve their ways so customers like us can feel more comfortable while enjoying your dishes. Conversely, if still such behavior continues, it will force us to say good bye forever.

I guess customers like Bran and ĐOÀN VINH were gentlemen enough to not have made a big scene; I would be pretty upset myself. But instead of complaining to the owner/manager of Pho 79, they shared with their friends and other readers (customers) online. This is pretty much the reality for many Vietnamese and pho restaurants who have not changed with the time. With popularity of pho increasing all the time, new waves of customers, especially Gen X and Y (the millennials) and younger customers, are expecting much more than questionably good pho quality and bad customer service.

What The Data Is Really Telling Us

Opinions don't count for much, unless they are backed by data. So here's a running poll I've been tracking closely. If you haven't done so, please take the poll before viewing the results. First, I must point out an important note about the poll. The poll answers seem to force good pho and good service (well run business) to be somewhat mutually exclusive, meaning you cannot have both good pho and well run business at the same time. But we know that this is not true in reality. So while the poll itself is limited in its flexibility and scope, it still gives us some strong indication of what pho eaters are thinking. So looking at the result, what surprises me the most is the fact that many respondents consider good pho more important than good customer service. People are saying that it is acceptable reason to continue giving business to a restaurant that has bad customer service if you love their pho enough. This may be an eye opener for many, but on the other hand it may not be news to others, if you dig a little deeper. Here's why. From the poll result I'm getting the following 2 important things:

Pho eaters' desire for a good bowl of pho is so strong that when they find it, customer service becomes secondary or is much less important. Unfortunately this may be the "conventional wisdom" and common views about Viet and pho restaurants in general that's been around for many years, that you get good food and cheap prices together with bad service and very dirty restrooms. While this thinking is still very common, thankfully this leads to the next observation.
That in a given market or locality, good pho is still hard to find. There are still plenty of bad pho around, with dirty restrooms and all! This means there are still opportunities for new pho restaurants to open and serve good pho AND have great customer service. Think about it, what if there are plenty of pho restaurants that serve good pho AND have great service? Do you think places like Pho 79 can survive in such market for too long? Exactly my point.

The Bottom Line: Vote With Your Wallet

So I think there are still good opportunities for new pho restaurants to open and serve great pho and have great customer service. This will definitely allow (or force) the dinosaurs to go extinct in a natural way, and sooner too. So what to do about Pho 79? It's simple: I think you should vote with your wallet, like you do with any other retail businesses. My friend Tim and I have a pho meetup every week or so, and we always alternate between 2 places. The other day, he asked me: "hey do you want to try a different pho place?" I said: "remember the last time when you walked out of a bad pho joint, wished you didn't waste your $8-$10 or whatever you paid, and wished you had gone to a place you knew is good? Remember that feeling?" He got the point and we went to one of the 2 places we always went to, and we both walked out very full and happy. So, let's just let the dinosaurs die. What you think about your selection of where to spend your money on pho? Share your thoughts in the comments section below.