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                        <title>RE:The History and Evolution of Pho: A Hundred Years&#039; Journey</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 02 Nov 2019 18:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Fair comment. However the real question is, how far would/should one go back in history and apply today&#039;s standards. There are some things we&#039;ll want to make sure will not happen again in th...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Fair comment. However the real question is, how far would/should one go back in history and apply today's standards. There are some things we'll want to make sure will not happen again in the future (like slavery in America) and there are other things we don't want to or just can't go back and fix (like Vietnamese language conversion).

I think you may be taking issue with the word "help" and that is also a fair point. On the other hand, in recounting of historical events, the word "help" is generally and acceptably used to mean "contribute" or "play a major part in" making something happen. It's the same as saying certain events had "helped" Hitler and the Third Reich come to power before WW2. It does not necessarily mean to praise or give support to such events or the people involved.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE:The History and Evolution of Pho: A Hundred Years&#039; Journey</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 02 Nov 2019 00:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Help convert their language? more like banned and wiped it out completely. Vietnam had a written language before the French. They destroyed it in the name of white man&#039;s burden.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Help convert their language? more like banned and wiped it out completely. Vietnam had a written language before the French. They destroyed it in the name of white man's burden.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE:The History and Evolution of Pho: A Hundred Years&#039; Journey</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2019 18:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@Joe Nam: You may have misread or misunderstood what was written in the post. I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything that says pho came from France. That would be an extremely incorrect proposition ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@Joe Nam: You may have misread or misunderstood what was written in the post. I don't think there's anything that says pho came from France. That would be an extremely incorrect proposition from any perspective. 

Care has been taken to ensure that it's clear that pho has a murky beginning, meaning exact documentation may be nonexistent. I think the statement: "Pho could be a Vietnamese adaptation of the French soup "pot au feu" is pretty clear of its meaning. I guess you can take the view that an "adaptation" means "it came from" but that's really taking it too far beyond the meaning and spirit of what's written.

Your statement "To say that beef soup automagically stops at the border while spring rolls, noodles, dumplings, rice cakes and many other foods make it across by accident is not very reasonable." may have been a response to another article you've read. It's hardly relevant to the topic at hand.

Similarly for your last paragraph, I'm not sure if you've been reading a different article elsewhere. Your statement "To say Vietnam shares many cuisines with our neighbors but automagically are gifted pho by racist colonizers from above is… lazy and self hate to be generous." is again off topic. 

Love the generous use of "automagically", but sorry trolling is not welcome here.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE:The History and Evolution of Pho: A Hundred Years&#039; Journey</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I question the idea that pho came from France. There are several variations of beef noodle soup in Southern China right next door to Vietnam that have existed for hundreds of years before Eu...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I question the idea that pho came from France. There are several variations of beef noodle soup in Southern China right next door to Vietnam that have existed for hundreds of years before Europeans ever came to Vietnam.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beef_noodle_soup
And these soups use some of the same spices used in pho- star anise and cinnamon to be precise. None of these in pot au feu!
To say that beef soup automagically stops at the border while spring rolls, noodles, dumplings, rice cakes and many other foods make it across by accident is not very reasonable.

As far as the income excuse goes- China for the average person until recent times was even poorer and hungrier than Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines, etc. That’s why Chinese migrated to Southeast Asia but the reverse almost never. And yet they still had several versions of beef noodle soup. To say Vietnam shares many cuisines with our neighbors but automagically are gifted pho by racist colonizers from above is... lazy and self hate to be generous. Note the fact that nobody knows exactly where pho came from. Let’s keep it that way and not give credit where it isn’t due.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE:The History and Evolution of Pho: A Hundred Years&#039; Journey</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2019 05:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@Henry Trieu: Thanks for your input and views. I&#039;m sure no one can achieve anything ALL on his/her own, without direct or indirect assistance, involvement, or the knowledge of others. I am n...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@Henry Trieu: Thanks for your input and views. I'm sure no one can achieve anything ALL on his/her own, without direct or indirect assistance, involvement, or the knowledge of others. I am not familiar with historical accounts of who else may have assisted Alexandre de Rhodes, but with all the European missionary activities going on in Vietnam during that time, it would be reasonable to say that Portuguese missionaries also left influence in the country.

Vietnam was a colony of France for almost 70 years (ending in 1954) so the amount of influence French language and culture had on Vietnamese people was enormous. Whatever influence the Portuguese left in Vietnam before the French came would have become insignificant by 1954 and after.

Your theories about xà bông and days of the weeks are interesting. I don't have time to research with enough detail to agree or disagree with your theories, but it seems logical that French ways went pretty deep in Vietnamese life back then, including things like soap and days of the week.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE:The History and Evolution of Pho: A Hundred Years&#039; Journey</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2019 21:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[By the way, Alexandre de Rhodes gets all the credits on creating modern Vietnamese but he was working with Portuguese missionaries who started it first.  Many influences in Portuguese can st...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[By the way, Alexandre de Rhodes gets all the credits on creating modern Vietnamese but he was working with Portuguese missionaries who started it first.  Many influences in Portuguese can still be seen in the Vietnamese language.
Example: the word for soap is Vietnamese is xà bông.  That is from Portuguese sabão,  not the French savon.
Vietnamese's name for days of the week begins with thứ hai, thứ ba... Meaning second day, third  day... Mirroring Portuguese names for days of the week: segunda-feira, terça-feira and not French lundi, Mardi...]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE:The History and Evolution of Pho: A Hundred Years&#039; Journey</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2019 17:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@Jean Wan: Thanks for reaching out. I&#039;d be more than happy to discuss anything relating to pho, but resources are not for sharing without my having a clear understanding of your project, its...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@Jean Wan: Thanks for reaching out. I'd be more than happy to discuss anything relating to pho, but resources are not for sharing without my having a clear understanding of your project, its goals, and what it aims to accomplish. If you want to share in detail what you want to do then I can start steering you in the right direction. If there's a need to communicate in private about the subject matter then I can do that.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2019 06:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[HI Cuong

I&#039;m currently doing my Masters and have chosen to explore the history of Pho and how it has changed over the years including its migration to NZ .  After some internet searches, ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[HI Cuong

I'm currently doing my Masters and have chosen to explore the history of Pho and how it has changed over the years including its migration to NZ .  After some internet searches, I came across your article and it's a great start. 

Are you able to share your resources please? It would be a great help for my research. 

Regards]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2018 06:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@TUAN TRAN: Thanks for the additional detail about pho Bac. You definitely have some extreme and narrow viewpoints. I&#039;ve never had someone describe pho broth with rare beef looking like sewa...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@TUAN TRAN: Thanks for the additional detail about pho Bac. You definitely have some extreme and narrow viewpoints. I've never had someone describe pho broth with rare beef looking like sewage water in a serious conversation. 

Not sure how you came about the information in the rest of your post but there are some major issues with them as well. I may address them in the future, but for now, I won't give any rebuttal unless someone specifically requests one.

This thread has run its course. Future posts will be moderated.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2018 21:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@Cuong: Yes you are the author so you can include them but that does not make it right. Again, we are talking about Pho Bac here and being Pho Bac, there&#039;s NO other things added in. Pho Bac ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@Cuong: Yes you are the author so you can include them but that does not make it right. Again, we are talking about Pho Bac here and being Pho Bac, there's NO other things added in. Pho Bac is served with only onion and ngo. There's no hoisin sauce, sriracha, basil added in after. You eat it as it's served.

Another thing about rare beef is that besides making the broth looks like sewage water is that it alters the favor profile of the broth.  The broth is a delicate balance between body and flavor. You get the body from the bones and you get the flavor from the meat. The ratio between bones and meat is very important because it gives the broth its distinct goodness.  That's why real pho bac should and must be cooked with bones that has been scraped off clean of meat lest it affects the delicate balance of the broth .]]></content:encoded>
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